02.11.23 - Three young and enthusiastic doctoral candidates, each working in a completely different domain and faculty, share their insights into life as a researcher at EPFL. Their sole connecting thread is that their labs are collaborating members of the EPFL EcoCloud Center.

Lara Orlandic from the United States works out of the Embedded Systems Laboratory in the School of Engineering, Belén Yu Irureta-Goyena Chang is Spanish and works out of the Laboratory of Astrophysics in the School of Basic Sciences, while Simla Burcu Harma, who is Turkish, is with both the Parallel Systems Architecture and Machine Learning and Optimization Laboratories in the School of Computer and Communication Sciences.

In conversation, we covered everything from their experiences at EPFL to best research practices and the ethical use of artificial intelligence.

What is the workload like, as a PhD researcher at EPFL?

"Before I started I heard a lot of horror stories," explained Simla, "about how this is the hardest thing I will do in my life. In fact, it comes down to time management, knowing how to plan your workload. If you have the right mindset, taking a break after deadlines, it can be really enjoyable. Going to the mountains, going to cities in other countries - it balances the work."

"In the Masters there is a constant pressure," says Lara, "but with the PhD you have time between publication deadlines, and the other deadlines that you set for yourself. In our lab, we do not pressure each other to put in extra hours. Members go hiking, kayaking; there is a good balance.

"In several US PhD programs you have to take a heavier course load, you don't have defined vacations, and the salary is low compared to the cost of living in the big cities. At EPFL, PhD students are treated as employees, not as students. We have our weekends free, a fair salary, and we are even obliged to take 25 days of vacation," she continued.

How does PhD research differ from your previous studies?

"A professor told me before I left the US: 'This where your life becomes non-linear. The results you get will not necessarily reflect the amount of effort you put in!' Sometimes I have a hard time separating my self worth from the success of my results," explained Lara.

"A small fraction of what you do is what brings most of the results," according to Belén.

Are you ever made to feel you are in a male-dominated environment?

"Yes, but mostly during my Bachelor," says Simla. "People would ask, 'Wouldn't it be more suitable for a woman to be in medicine rather than engineering?' Gender bias still exists."

Lara agrees: "During my Bachelor in group projects, when we were dividing up jobs, someone on the team would command: ‘OK, Bob is going to build the robot, Sam is going to write the code, Lara you can write the report.’ So you end up doing extra work to prove that you can do the technical engineering jobs and not just the secretarial ones. Hopefully this is going in the right direction, the younger generation are seeing that women can be excellent engineers, without a doubt!"

Even AI can be gender-biased, according to Simla. "Using Google, if you translate ‘This one is a doctor, this one is a nurse' from Turkish to English, it will say 'He is a doctor, she is a nurse.' This is due to the training data used for AI, which is generated by humans. But that is changing. With ChatGPT, they use the Transformer architecture, and a mechanism called 'attention', where the choice of word can be inferred from the context. Researchers also add a lot of control into it to eliminate the learned gender bias."

"It's really important that AI should be guided by reliable theory," adds Belén. "If you use a black box and just trust the statistics, you can end up with results that don't make sense. There need to be constraints. Not only should the data be representative, but machine learning must make sense when you are using it.

"This is why in our course on Machine Learning there is a module on ethics!", states Simla.

What advice do you have for young people considering going into research?

"Do a lot of research about PhD life before going into it," suggests Simla. "It is very different to Bachelor; in the beginning, that was a shock for me. In a Bachelor's, we have specific tasks and exams. As a researcher, we have to read a lot of papers, choose the papers we read carefully, apply the information in our research, and learn to be independent, which is hard but rewarding. It is also a different style of working - make sure it is right for you!"

"I would say never be afraid to ask for help," advises Belén. "For the first few months I was a bit shy and I felt that nothing was working, but at some point I just told myself 'ask someone!'. And I got really helpful insights."

"Also you have to work in teams," adds Simla. "The most successful work in the literature always comes from teams. My professor states that 90% of what he learned was from peers, not supervisors."

"And you have to delegate," says Lara. "At the beginning I was possessive of my code, but I had to learn to delegate when when I started getting overwhelmed!"

"Choosing the right area of research is vital," concludes Simla. "My professor often says that if you do what you love, you don't have to work for the rest of your life!"


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